Communists

[Devil]

Some assholes are making a lot of propaganda in my region for communist partys... Every goddamn music show they are there with their little propaganda flyers and talk about how great would be a communist world. Dumbfucks teenagers are taking that as a new religion and are believing that if we make a revolution we could have a better life...

They are USING the teenagers "rebel phase" to make an army of zombies... The sickest thing is that their "chiefs" are sons and daughters of "rich" people.. I mean, fuck, they have everything they want, but they still want more. You can't have the butter and the money of the butter. If then, we're fucked. They're fucked. This generation is fucked. Now my friends don't want to go to school anymore and refuse to hear me talking about how communist is the biggest joke ever. They are fucking brainwashed, they blow their minds with a perfect world of fantasy.

Communism is an utopia. You know why ? Because humans are involved in this system. Every fucking system involving humans is rather a joke a very fucking bad working system for humans beings. Capitalism is shit, Communism is shit, Anarchy is shit, this is all shit.

These communist bastards are shouting "liberty" while in fact communism is one of the most repressive system ever thought. How about a little deportation in north pole ? Want to have a nice stay in a goulag ? COMMUNIST FUCKERS. You killed 100 million people and you still claim to be next step in the human society.

MARX LIVED IN THE 19TH FOR CHRIST SAKE, EVOLVE. The problem is not a class problem anymore, IT'S A HUMAN PROBLEM. Every fucking regime is always getting kicked by another regime, I mean, FUCK, it's clear that we will NEVER have a perfect society since humans are so fucking DUMBS just like YOU... Oh wait, can I call you MASTERMIND because you're controlling all my friend's brains ? FUCK YOU, YOU STOLE MY FRIENDS.

(this message is aimed at communists)

[cOnflictXX]

Devil, have you read the Communist Manifesto? In other books, Marx, from his time period, predicted the things that would happen in a Capitolist government that are happening today. I think ignorance has severely affected your opinion of Socialism.

Why not rant about Capitalism? There's probably more to rant about there.

[Devil]

1 : I have read a little of that book but I never finished it. There's something you need to understand about Marx, yes he was a brilliant guy, he had great ideas, but he lived in a world that 10 years old children were working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, it's pretty clear that we, in our modern civilized western world, have not this kind of problem anymore. Yes, we now exploit 10 years old children from third world countries, it's their time to make a revolution. Here, in Canada, and in my region to return to my rant, there's no need for a revolution. I mean, we live in one of the most humanist system in the world, socialism, and some kids still think we could have a better way to live in a communist (tyranic and dictatorship) system just because everyone would be equal. Now, that's another thing about Marx, I'm not sure if he thought about it, but in every system, there are leaders, in every society, there are leaders. It is also the case for communism. There was so much corruption, just like in our capitalism system. I mean, we change a system for another but the problem still remains. A revolution is useless if we are changing the old rule that says "Exploitation of human by human" by the opposite, that'd gives "Exploitation of human by human". Same thing, same problems. Just another system.

2 : I never said anything about SOCIALISM in my first post. Here in Quebec, as I said in #1, we live in one of the most socialist system on earth. I think it's best system. Of course, there is poverty, of course there is unemployment, of course there's corruption in our gouvernment, but for christ sake, at least everyone has social security. That means, government gives them money and "dwelling with moderate rent" (I don't know if you know what I'm talking about), free education until post highschool, free medical care, of course we're paying more taxes, but we still have money for consumption... etc.

3 : The problem is that these communist kids think that they can go the easy way by making a revolution. But they don't want to educate themselves... Making them vulnerable about communist's propaganda. They are appealing people on the revolution but they don't think about the consequences. Let's do history : After russian revolution of 1917, there was civil wars and famine, it was a complete disaster until Lenine decided to let capitalism work again. When Staline took over, he scraped completly capitalism and made a real communist system. But! How did he achieve that ? He simply made the population flexible by putting them in fear of being deported or executed. You had to follow the rules or die. That's how communism works. How great ?

4 : I ranted about capitalism in my first post. It's shit. Just like anything else.

[rocket.]

Devil you seem to hate everything about life, go see a therapist. :p

[Threeboy]

i havnt read the communist manifesto by marx but I can see where devils rant is coming from - they're being kinda sneeky in promoting by trying to hook teens.

[Devil]

Straight to the point, thanks Threeboy.

Rocket, I don't hate everything in life, I love music, I love art, I love cats, I ..etc
You don't know me, that's all.

[sYs73m]

I'll be honest, I don't know much about this topic. Usually things that sound shitty, I ignore. Like the war, I have no clue whats going on. Last thing I heard was that poor guy getting killed while he was a prisoner on TV.

The point of this post is to tell you, Devil, that I read your post. Good luck with whatever it is you do. I hope your friends snap out of it and shit gets back in gear.

[cOnflictXX]

a communist (tyranic and dictatorship) system

You're thinking of fascism with tyranny and dictators..Fascism and Communism are absolute enemies

I won't deny, however, you make good points.

[Pepi]

Due to communism the world learned a lesson, that no matter ow good it looks, it will get fucked up somehow. Also, before you know it those dumbasses will get busted for conspiracy. Devil, I totally see where you are coming from, I felt the same way when witchcraft become cool in my school.

[chrisv]

You're thinking of fascism with tyranny and dictators. Fascism and Communism are absolute enemies.True, but communism also requires a strong regime to keep it in power. Rather than being on a scale with fascism being at one end and communism at the other, they are more in a circle. Eventually you push one far enough and you can end up with similar consequences to the other.

[Pepi]

Well, look at Russia during the reign of Stalin, he absolutley annihilated any opposition to his control and that was tyranny, so the point I'm trying to make is that there are facist and communist tryannists.

[rocket.]

Wait, Didn't China decide to runa whole load of people over in army tanks back in the day? Isn't that enough to turn anyone off it, it's just as bad as terrorism - for people with no religion.

Trust me if you got rid of all religions, the world would have a chance of peace.

[MulletMan]

China is probably one of the absolute worst examples of dictatorship to ever come about. Mao Tse Tung was a monster. Read up on the "Cultural Revolution" in China if you want more on that.

Fidel Castro's communist Cuba... how's that going for him? Not so well I hear. This of course has much to do with the USA's exertion of influence in Cuba with trade embargoes, etc etc. However, I'm pretty sure Cuban life for the average human isn't so good.

Now, the best-known example of Communism-- the USSR. We all know how that turned out. Dictatorship. Death. Fear. Gulags. You know, the works-- life in Communist Russia was not fun. End of story.

Look on the other side though: Laissez-Faire Capitalism, ie. the United States before the 1920s. Everything's going great until the 1930's and BOOM, in comes the depression. Because of a serious lack of any social safety net, the average citizen suffered... majorly.

So the moral is that nothing works. The best working ideology from the point of a working-class individual would be Democratic Socialism, as in Sweden. The best ideology for a businessman would be the United States' system. Canada lies right in between-- woohoo. My personal idea is that human beings need the OPTION to chose the system in which they live. Yes, that means democracy, but it also means that an individual can move to Sweden if he so desires, or move to the United States for whatever reason. The fact that there is diversity between countries' democratic ideologies is a good thing, because it gives us not only the choice to influence our own govermental system (like voting) but also, when we don't get our way, we can move out in extreme cases.

By the way, chrisv has it 110% correct that the spectrum of ideologies forms more of a circle than a straight line. This means that, while fundamentally opposed, two extreme perspectives on a given issue have a lot in common. Look at Hitler and Stalin if you want further clarification. Their methods of achieving their given system, and of maintaining it are surprisingly similar.

Anywho, that's my 2 cents on the issue (or maybe slightly more), I'll hop off my soap-box now.



Well maybe I'll hop back on for a quick second by trying to focus more on what Devil was saying. I think that the situation is bullshit, to be quite honest. Manipulation of the populace is far from the "right" way to influence people. However, I think that the subject matter of which people in positions of power are influencing others on is irrelevant. The fact that they're appealing to the masses' weak points, as it were, is what gets me. Sure, convince me by telling me the good points and allowing me to know the bad points of a given topic-- that's fine. But by god please don't prey on my peers' social weaknesses (rebellious stage in life, etc) to manipulate them into believing something.

... I think that makes sense...

[Jace101]

I so can't be fucked reading any of that. Making my post irrelivent. Yays. I can't even spell. Fuck you all.

[MulletMan]

Forum motto: Read. Think. Post.

I'm pretty sure you missed steps one and two.

[Pepi]

Yeah really................... but i guess im a hypocrite now. Whatev.

The reason communism doesnt work is because people get lazy because they get paid no matter what. In capitalism you actually have to bust your ass for once to make your way in life. So when people are lazy in communism they end up fucking up everyone else because the quality of life isnt improved and technologically very little advances unless spurned by some kind of incentive.

[Shamus]

technologically very little advances unless spurned by some kind of incentive.
Good point!

[Devil]

Mulletman, you're brilliant.

[Pepi]

He is quite brilliant

[Les Bian]

I'm going to side with the "all systems suck" team, I dont believe anyone'll be happy with the system unless Jesus is running it, coz I hear he's the man, he can feed us on fish and bread.

But I'm sure if you pointed a gun at these unhappy pro-communists / pro-captalits / pro-athletes they could find something they like in the current system they'd like to stick around for...

P.S. Communist USSR also resulted in that piece of shit they call 'eastern europe'.

[Liquor_Riss]

P.S. Communist USSR also resulted in that piece of shit they call 'eastern europe'.
Its not all bad...

[fugazi]

I think someone made this point already, there is no perfect system nor will there ever be. Like Mulletman said, the best system that can be offered is one allowing humans to make the choice of what they want. Oppression will eventually lead to revolution, but at the same time, freedom will lead to corruption. My point is.......I don't really have one. Meh.

[omgwtfdan]

Do Amish people have a good system? I thought they do. Aren't they like one community and the church is the government or something like that?

[rocket.]

They would be gay - most wars today are based on stupid ass religion.

Lets just start up a huge gaming centre and call it "The Athiest Church" ... now thats a good idea ;)

[Les Bian]

Its not all bad...
Haha, porn addict...

[Liquor_Riss]

Do Amish people have a good system? I thought they do. Aren't they like one community and the church is the government or something like that?
They're just living in the past, and look where the past got us. Back when the church ruled the roost in Ye Olde Englande we had a little something called the 'Inquisition' which was basically an excuse for the church to go round wiping out supposed witches or anyone else they saw as a threat. Maybe the Amish people won't do anything quite so drastic as that, but being governed by the church is a big no no in my book.

[Liquor_Riss]

They're just living in the past, and look where the past got us. Back when the church ruled the roost in Ye Olde Englande we had a little something called the 'Inquisition' which was basically an excuse for the church to go round wiping out supposed witches or anyone else they saw as a threat. Maybe the Amish people won't do anything quite so drastic as that, but being governed by the church is a big no no in my book.

[omgwtfdan]

Well, I was just wondering what their system was like. I wasn't suggesting it or anything...

[Pepi]

I dont think liquor_riss was shooting down your idea omgwtfdan. Just answering your question, but personally, I think that the Amish have it pretty good, they have never had electricity or anything of the like so they cant miss it right? And if they are happy then, let it be.